Meet ‘them’: Conde Nast’s First Queer Publication

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In June 2017, award-winning trans journalist Meredith Talusan received a direct message on Instagram from Phillip Picardi. The digital editorial director of Teen Vogue and Allure was in the process of building an intersectional staff for what would eventually become them, Conde Nast’s newest online publication that focuses on queer youth. He was looking for an editor; their mutual friend Janet Mock had recommended Talusan.

At the time, however, she was working on a book. She considered herself a writer first and foremost and wasn’t prepared to take on an editorial role.

“There are so few trans editors,” Talusan tells me over the phone. “Of those who are, many of the established ones don’t edit or work on trans issues. I have to do all of this cultural translation and justification in order to get pitches approved,” she says. “It requires a lot of logistical and emotional labor to get someone who is not up to speed about the issues you’re dealing with… Part of the reason I waffled was because I was intimidated to yet again be the only trans person on an editorial staff.”

A few months later, Picardi reached out to Talusan to ask for recommendations to fill the same editorial role — only this time, Talusan had changed her mind. She was interested. They had a call that led to a job offer followed by an in-person meeting. As she reviewed the offer, Picardi hired them Associate Editor Tyler Ford, a friend and writer she admires, who also happens to be trans. When Talusan realized she wouldn’t be the only person on staff to speak to trans issues, she signed on as them’s full-time senior editor.

Them was born from an idea Picardi had been dreaming about for a while: launching a queer publication that speaks to those who don’t look at sexuality and gender in binary terms, like so many of the young queer people he met through Teen Vogue. “I wanted to identify this space and create one that was more welcoming, inclusive and representative of this new queer movement happening.”

His dream became reality when Condé Nast’s artistic director Anna Wintour asked him at a luncheon, more or less, “If you could do anything you wanted, what would you do?” He explained his vision. A few days later, his phone rang. She gave him the green light to begin a proposal, which involved months of work and pitching to Conde Nast’s entire C-suite. In October 2017, along with Talusan, Ford, and a diverse collection of freelance contributors, them officially launched.

Picardi believes the most important decision he’s made in staffing up them is handing over the microphone: “It’s not about me. Gay men take up a lot of space in our community and dominate the space queer and trans people get in terms of representation.” He tells me that after eight years in media, there’s not just one person responsible for the magic a brand makes. “To make beautiful, magical, shareable content — to make the world a better place and make visibility and representation a priority — it takes a whole team.”

The team’s goal is twofold, he says: The first part is to create content for and by the queer community and to be a representative of all parts of the community “in the best way we can.” The second is to prove, by being a queer brand within a traditional magazine publishing house like Condé Nast, that you can “queer” mainstream. “That’s ‘queer’ as a verb,” he tells me. “At them, we want to educate people about who we are and why we exist.”

In the name of handing over microphones, I pass mine to the full-time and contributing staff of them.

I asked each person to write a one-line personal bio, one line that explains what they “do” professionally, and then, in 300 words or less, to tell me their story.

Meredith Talusan, “Old enough to write a memoir,” senior editor, them

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I am a lot sillier than I look.
I’m unable to keep my mouth shut and so, as a result, am the senior editor of them.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I am a first-generation Filipino, albino, immigrant, nonbinary, trans person who is a successful journalist and editor and is a little bit too educated, with multiple advanced degrees — more than one degree from Ivy League schools — and I’m out to show that coming from a marginalized background and being successful in media don’t have to be mutually exclusive. A lot of people view “external success” as belonging; I want to express we all hold multitudes, and that one can simultaneously hold a disadvantaged background along certain lines and at the same time achieve a measure of success and have privilege and advantages. America tends to be set up such that we view people as either one or the other.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to teenagers: Wear your hair the way you want to and think about the consequences later.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope that readers will find both joy and activism and understand that those two things can be one and the same.

You can follow Meredith on Instagram here or Twitter here.

Phillip Picardi, 26, chief content officer, them

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I think that Burlesque starring Christina Aguilera and Cher is a criminally underrated film.
I started an idea, which became them, and now sometimes help other people as they make it better and more inclusive.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

When I started at Teen Vogue, I wore bronzer and had a blowout. Things got better, and now I have them.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

Young people: Whatever they mock you for now is exactly what you should be doing with the rest of your life.

You can follow Phillip on Instagram here and Twitter here.

Tyler Ford, 27, associate editor, them

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I am a compassionate, bold, sensitive, punctilious person who loves to learn.
I am a gender writer, speaker and advocate, and I am the associate editor at them.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I love being queer and trans and black. I try to communicate how happy I am to be who I am as often as possible, because people expect me to be sad about it. I’m not sad about who I am — I’m sad and angry at the violence that queer and trans people of color experience on a daily basis just for existing. So, let me say it again: There is so much joy in being queer and trans and black. We all deserve to celebrate who we are.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to everyone: Take care of each other and take care of yourself.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope that them will inspire a sense of recognition, affirmation, connection and community in our readers.

You can follow Tyler on Instagram here, Twitter here or check out his website here.

Michael Cuby, 23, them contributor

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An L.A.-born New York transplant, I am a writer and editor.
I’m the community manager/social director at them.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I was born in Los Angeles and moved to New York five years ago to start studying sociology at Columbia University. While I was in school, I wrote for VICE, Teen Vogue, Flavorwire and MEL Magazine. Prior to joining the them team, I worked as a digital editor at PAPER Magazine, where I took the lead on most of the site’s fashion coverage. I’ve also always been pretty active on (or, addicted to) social media, so it was exciting to start my new position at them. I feel totally fulfilled in a way I hadn’t before because I can merge my passion for writing with my addiction to social media. Plus, I get to stick my hand in so many other things.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to my younger self is to not give up on the pursuit of what you really want to do with your life. Growing up, I was really into reading men’s lifestyle magazines and thought I would pursue that as a career. But after coming into my own as a queer person in college, I found myself gradually canceling my subscriptions because I felt alienated by their often very narrow definitions of manhood. I couldn’t see where I fit in that world.

When I could finally start believably calling myself a “writer” at other publications, I ran into another wall: I always wanted to write about specific topics like queerness, Blackness, etc. but feared pigeonholing myself. With so few avenues for queer people to place their queerness (or any other marginalized identity) at the center of their work, it was intimidating to me to risk becoming that person who “only writes about insert topic here.” But now, with a platform like them, I see that it wasn’t a “risk” at all. It’s so inspiring to the little boy who once found himself fearing that there wouldn’t be a place for him in the Wild World of Media.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

One of the central tenets of them is to provide a voice for those who may not otherwise have the opportunity to tell their story and be heard in mainstream media. Obviously, as an LGBTQ+ publication, we’re already doing that semi-automatically by focusing on the queer community — but we also want to be sure that our selection of LGBTQ+ stories are diverse in and of themselves. That means letting queer and trans people of color have a voice, queer and trans people with disabilities have a voice, etc. I think all of these perspectives have sometimes been either completely ignored or strategically overshadowed in other queer publications. It is my hope that people who read our site feel something from these important stories, and that these stories ultimately will help change their worldviews for the better. In my opinion, the more people who know about others who are different than them, the more possibilities there are for two-way passages of compassion and empathy. And as for the non-readers? Well, I want them to start reading!

You can follow Michael on Instagram here and Twitter here.

Chella Man, 18, them contributor

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I am a deaf, queer, nonbinary artist based in New York City currently transitioning on testosterone.
I contribute project ideas and pitches to them that deal with topics ranging from being deaf to being queer.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

When I was three years old, I was in the car with my mom, driving down the highway. From my car seat, I called out, “Mom, I want to be a boy!” My mom was astonished and answered: “Well, girls can do anything boys can do, so why?” I responded: “They can’t run around with their shirts off, and they have a penis!” I was three years old, and I knew who I was.

After skipping my senior year of high school in central Pennsylvania and coming to New York City for college, my identity became more clear. The cultural shift was drastic to me; the city felt much more accepting.

I have now been on testosterone for almost five months, identify as a genderqueer individual, and am “patiently” waiting to have top surgery in January 2018. I can honestly say that I have never been happier.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to anyone out there struggling with depression this winter:

I’ve found working out in the morning to truly help my dysphoria/depression the rest of the day. It’s a muffler. If any of you are struggling mentally, try moving around a bit in the morning! I know this can be the hardest thing, but start small and work up to it, whether that’s a run or lifting. It helps me immensely. The morning sunrise views aren’t that bad, either.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope readers will be able to see a bit of themselves in this platform. I hope they will be able to figure out who they are a bit better than I did. I did not have this kind of media representation.

Anything else you want to add?

I am proud to be a part of them. The future is brighter with this queer platform.

You can follow Chella on Instagram here and here.

Myles Loftin, 19, them contributor

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I’m just a black boy trying to express myself and understand the world.
I’m a freelance photographer (for them and others) and a sophomore at Parsons School of Design.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I grew up in southern Maryland with two parents who have always been extremely supportive of my artistic talents and aspirations as an artist. I’ve been interested in art since I can remember, and from a young age I knew that I wanted to pursue art as a career. While other kids wanted to be doctors and policemen when they grew up, I just wanted to make art and make a living off of that. When I was about 15 or 16 years old, I picked up a camera and never really turned back. I had found my element. Photography is my way of understanding and reinterpreting myself and the world around me. Art is a practice of freedom and liberation for me. I want other minority artists to be able to experience that, and to be able to feel like they have a place in the art world where they can be as talented and as successful as cis, straight, white artists. I want my existence and my success as an “other” to inspire queer kids of color who want to share their voice.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to marginalized artists trying to make it would be to always keep working, keep building off of what you’ve already created, and never compare your rate of success to someone else’s. Everyone gets to where they’re going at their own pace, and if you stay true to what you’re doing, you’ll make it happen.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope that readers and non-readers will appreciate, understand and potentially connect with the nuanced representations of LGBTQIAGNC+ culture.

You can follow Miles on Instagram here and Twitter here.

Quil Lemons, 20, them contributor

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I’m a 20-year-old art student, photographer, writer, part-time lemon and full-time friend.
I am just a person who tells it like it is; that ideology is reflected in the art I create for them and for myself.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I am an artist. Personally, I am still figuring out my story, as many millennials are. If you are a fan/supporter of what I have to offer, may it be my photography, writing or social media presence, you will see that this “story” is still being written. I am a 20-year-old black boy from Philadelphia and I am finally feeling grounded in who I am (as a person and creator) and what that means in the spaces that I occupy.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to queer youth: I feel we’re in an interesting time in society where the norms are being rewritten, which has given a lot of space to define what is acceptable. You no longer have to feel afraid to be who you are. You do not have to hide your interests or who you want to be. We are in a time in which we have more freedoms than ever before. We have the ability to continue to keep changing the views of those who do not agree with “our lifestyle.” But, most importantly, I hope anyone who’s young and queer does not feel alone, different or weird. Being queer and being “one of them” is wonderful!

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope readers take away new perspectives, feel at home and that they are rightfully represented. I hope that them is a platform that truly depicts where the LGBTQ community is in 2017 and where we are going. I hope the readers of them can connect with the art I put out through this platform and it resonates. I hope anything I create can help someone feel at peace.

I hope non-readers can appreciate the art we make and feel inspired or can see our perspective and gain insight on what it actually means to be queer.

You can follow Quil on Instagram here and Twitter here.

Wesley Johnson, 25, them contributor

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Just trying to maintain a social life, support my local businesses, drink enough water and pay off my student loans.
I make sure everything looks good and on-brand at them. It’s a really dynamic role because one day I might commission illustrators for a story, and the next I might be on set for a fashion shoot. I’m really fortunate that I can trust my eye, and that’s one thing I’m really confident about.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I moved to New York to study graphic design at Parsons. I’ve been artistic all my life, but I was unsure of what I wanted to do or how I wanted to apply my talent. I knew I loved things like fashion magazines, packaging, music videos, window displays, anything visual. I settled on graphic design because I thought it’d be the best way to funnel all of my interests into one field (and maybe make some money).

Even if Parsons wasn’t the best choice for me, New York totally was. Being a closeted gay kid growing up in the suburbs, New York was a complete awakening for me. Being surrounded by so many gay people was like nothing I’d ever felt before. I haven’t traveled much, but I can’t picture living in any other city. There are so many lives you could lead here, and the possibilities are endless. There are layers to life that we don’t even see, and your environment can totally shift by just walking a few blocks. I had one of the best years of my life exploring everything around the city too, like Fire Island, Storm King, the Glass House.

In my down time, I love walking around my neighborhood and looking at houses, going to the farmers’ market, shopping for my apartment, going to galleries and museums. I try to stay visually stimulated to keep myself inspired. I also love being inside and sitting.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

I think young people should know that there’s no threshold into adulthood; you’re always evolving. Even now, it’s hard to say 100% what I want to “be” when I grow up. Of course I dream of renovating a Brooklyn brownstone with my dream man, but coming to terms with the fact that that might never happen is hard. As a Pisces, I’ve always been a dreamer, so realizing that not everything can come true is hard. I would also say to not get bent out of shape over not going to school with everyone else. Take your time to really discover yourself if you’re not there yet. Looking back, I wish I’d taken some time off to travel. Seriously, if you’re fortunate enough to be living on your parents’ dime, take advantage of it for as long as you can! I’m learning that changing course later in life, even as early in my career as I am, is difficult. It may take a while to find out what your true interests are. Just roll with it and keep your mind open.

You may surprise yourself.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I think people should know that queer people are so limitless. Our creativity really knows no bounds. Continually being pushed to the periphery of society has made us really adaptive, and forced us to make ourselves seen in different ways. Also, because we’re not the norm, we don’t really have norms. I think that allows our minds to stay open. I’m so proud to be a part of this group, and I think the future is really in our hands.

You can follow Wesley on Instagram here.

James Clarizio, 26, Visuals Editor, them

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I’m a disproportionate gasper-meets-diplomatic-menu-orderer-meets-above-average-parallel-parker.
I manage everything that goes into making pictures at them – except taking them.

What’s your “story”? What do you need the world to know about you?

I’ve had an affinity for images for as long as I can remember, from aged photographs of my parents honeymooning to Bruce Weber’s catalogs for Abercrombie & Fitch I’d steal from my older sisters. I’ve also had a knack for pleasing people and avoiding conflict – which, as a closeted teenager in suburban New Jersey – only further-developed my status as an observer before participator. Taking this into consideration, I really enjoy and have developed an instinctual need to look at pictures, people, relationships and stories.

My interest in looking brought me to New York University to study photography, where I was pleased to be among a small group of people who enjoyed talking about images as much as I did. New York is a special place for anyone with a keen interest in anything, especially those who require an ever-changing bank of people and experiences to digest. Apologies if I’ve stared at you on the J train.

I’m humbled and elated by the work I get to create every day, and even more so by the people that I get to share the process with. Creating content that a younger version of myself would have loved and coveted keeps me going, but not as much as knowing there are people seeing these pictures and reading these stories today.

What do you hope readers will take away from them?

I hope readers leave with both a sense of kinship in seeing their story told, as well as an enthusiasm for stories that don’t necessarily align with their own. There’s a camaraderie in queerness that we are celebrating, and the party is only growing.

What’s your advice to ____? Fill in that blank, and then fill in your advice.

My advice to people who need to wake up early in the morning is to drink a lot of water right before bed. Like, more than you think. Once your alarm sounds, you’ll need to use the restroom too urgently to stay put. Many of the best things in life require skipping the snooze button.

Also, making a conscious effort to be present and pleasant will get you halfway there.

You can follow James on Instagram here.

Photos provided by them staff and contributors. Myles Loftin’s photo by Jason Rodgers. Tyler Ford’s photo by Jody Rogac for TIME.

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